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10 Things Malaysian Muslims Need to Know/Remember/Realize About Malaysian Christians.

January 21, 2013 Leave a comment Go to comments

Disclaimer:
Written below is my opinion, as a Christian, as a Malaysian. Its not the official view of any church body and not all Christians.Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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And you need listen,listen,listen, to know and understand this, and just trust me on this.

1. We are not using the kalimah to convert Muslims to Christians. Of the THREE documented ‘conversions’ NONE were because of a Malay Bible.One was due to adoption, one read the English Bible (which he got himself) and the third was because of marriage.Contrast this to the tens of thousands of Christians converting to Islam in Malaysia and you will see, we are really the ones who should be worried.

2.Semenanjung Christians do not use the word because we PREFER it, we simply follow the word used in the Indonesian Bibles used by our Sabahan and Sarawakian brothers and sisters who attend service here in Semenanjung.Trust me, my priest struggles with Bahasa but does it just to accomodate them. Bahasa is the only language they really understand apart from their own native tongue. We’re not talking about the Bians and Bumburings and Ikings and Kitingans of the world here, we’re talking about students from the interior, manual workers and entry level staff.They are mostly Catholic and SIB (Sidang Injil Borneo), though many churches also have Sabahan and Sarawakians, and don’t forget the Indonesians, who have a large Christian population- Batak and Flores are technically almost entirely Christian.

For those asking, why not bring in a local Iban or Kadazan or Indonesian priest or localize the services…..they, like us are scattered. In Klang alone, there are four Catholic churches, many chapels, and more than thirty Protestant churches.Anyway, the law you are supporting, will affect them either way, whether they remain in Semananjung and East Malaysia.

3. By LAW , WE cannot give you ANY material regarding Christianity, be it a CD, or a Bible or an email. ALL Printed Material needs to be printed with ‘FOR CHRISTIANS ONLY’ Any attempt by a Muslim to obtain this is equally unlawful, as there are Syariah provisions against this.BY CONVENTION, Muslims do not attend Mass in Church. So HOW CAN something you CANNOT READ, CANNOT SEE, and CANNOT HEAR ever offend you? The idea that we would desecrate the kalimah equally illogical.Why would we insult God?

4. The usage of the word is not something new, it is something that predates Malaysia’s formation, the British Occupation. The Bible was originally Koine Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. Hebrew is very similar to Arabic.The Bible was translated first to Latin, then to another 1223 languages, 471 of which is commonly used.  There are still efforts to translate another 1500 languages, mainly for academic purposes. Generally Christians believe the message of God is best delivered in the hearer’s own tongue. That is why Christian missionaries those days, spent years, learning the tongue, before translating the bible into it, then only preaching to them.It was the same with the Native Americans, Chinese,Japanese,South Americans, Africans. This is the opposite of how Islam was spread, which would be to teach the converts Arabic terms.

5.Malaysia is the only country in the world with this problem. Saudi Arabia, the world’s bedrock of Islam and Indonesia, the world’s largest Muslim country, doesn’t.

6.Hostility towards us is clearly politically motivated, we have been living amongst you for many, many years, we’ve shared and built schools, orphanages,hospitals, old folks homes for Malaysians of all ages.There is zero proof ZERO, of any attempt other than feeble pseudo-hard-to-believe gossips and murmurs. Has anyone brought forward any concrete proof of any conspiracy to convert Muslims?Had we wished to do so, don’t you think we could have used ALL we’ve built above for Malaysians to convert everyone who stepped into those hospitals, schools, clinics or orphanages?

How come this has never been an issue before? Have you thought about it? Check most Christian hospitals, orphanages,schools. Look for the plaque and see who officiated these buildings and you will find many of them opened by the Rulers. Check the plaque at YMCA Kuala Lumpur. See who was their first patron.

7. Lest you forget this bond of friendship, we are the only religion in Malaysia that is mentioned by name in Acts of Parliament apart from Islam.The large proportion Malaysian Christians are mostly from the Straits Settlements- they were already British Overseas Citizens. So the argument that we were poor, desperate and sought shelter here and have a hidden agenda to subvert the nation is not quite accurate.In fact its quite stupid.

8. Rights granted should not be revoked without good reason. We’re not asking for any new rights. In fact, many of our old rights were taken away- including restrictions on places of worship,removal of crosses from buildings we’ve built. But this one, this is a bit too raw a nerve to touch.Christians feel quite worried and insecure.

9. Malaysian Christians are not the only ones using the word. Malaysian(and global) Sikhs and Baha’is use it as well.As do some Hindus. ALL of the world’s main religions came from Asia,and all Abrahamaic religions from a very small part in Asia Minor, hence, the etymological similarity should not be entirely unexpected.

10. Malaysian Christians , like most Christians are engaging and peaceful people. So please, don’t bully us. Please don’t allow yourselves to be consumed by blind hate led on by blind politicians.Many will provoke and ask you this question ‘WHAT MORE DO THEY WANT?’ My answer would be, ‘We just wanna be left alone’.

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  1. January 22, 2013 at 3:12 pm | #1

    Wonderful post you have here. Thoroughly enjoyed the whole article, and I do agree with all the points given. It’s just that I cannot shake away the feeling of 2 Timothy 3, where it says “But mark this, there will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves”, so irregardless of how much we ask them to ‘leave us alone’, I kind of doubt that they will. Either way, continue to stay strong for Christ. Keep up your posting!

    • EJ
      January 23, 2013 at 7:10 am | #2

      You are too kind.We do what we must,when we must,however we must =)

  2. jauipop
    January 30, 2013 at 10:56 am | #3

    Great piece. Even though I’m personally agnostic, I’m an advocate for the freedom for everyone to practice what they want and how they want. I despise what the rulers of this country are doing – using religion/religious arguments to drag mentality and society back to the 1800s. What I don’t understand is that most of the people who are spewing these comments/rules out were educated during an era of free thinking and liberalisation in Malaysia. They’re just now upbringing a generation of stupid and ignorant. I’m hoping that more people (who are on THAT side of the fence) read your piece and actually THINK… unfortunately, the people who will read this are the ones who probably already agree with you.
    Any chance of getting someone to translate this into Bahasa (since the “word” isn’t used – clever) so that there can be a wider audience, as I know that a lot of the population (who need to read it) don’t actually read English very well (another issue).

    • EJ
      January 30, 2013 at 10:58 am | #4

      Thank you. Excerpts should appear in The Malaysian Insider this week and I believe the good people at Projek Dialog are working on a translation and it should be appearing there soon.

      • hasan
        January 31, 2013 at 4:58 pm | #5

        Dalam perenggan 4, tuan akui asal Bible dalam beberapa bahasa. Adakah kalimah Allah dalam Bible asal ini tuan? Nama saya hasan dalam bahasa Arab yang bermaksud baik dalam Bahasa Melayu. Saya tak pernah terjemah nama saya dalam mana-mana penggunaan bahasa. apa pendapat tuan? Terima kasih.

  3. January 30, 2013 at 4:27 pm | #6

    the point is simple. Some Malays/Muslims are too frightened of Christianity, due to ignorance and political brainwashing, and so resort to make Christians their number one enemy.

    Asking to be left alone won’t help. What the government should do is to ask these cheating and secretive Malays to show themselves up in a public forum and explain their policies and actions.

    They normally secretly parade their bigotry and hatred to other muslims, some even forming a formal “Islamic” social organization. And of course approved by the government. The government dare not ban hatred organizations because they will lose votes. And so it is all political, yes.

    This country should be cleansed of hatred and bigotry. No government can do that it seems, so we have to do it ourselves.

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 10:23 am | #7

      Its a highly charged political topic, as Malaysians (generally, of all races and religions) are an emotive crowd when it comes to what they hold sacred. This is more pronounced recently.

  4. January 30, 2013 at 6:23 pm | #8

    Good post :) Shared it on FB as well with this comment: Sometimes I wonder if those who instigate all this fear about Christianity in this country know that Islam, Judaism and Christianity are known collectively as the Abrahamic faiths and that we are also collectively called The People of the Book? Any way you look at it, we can’t escape the fact that the 3 come from the same root and that we are but cousins…sometimes I feel maybe even siblings who seem to have forgotten our roots because of our capacity to stubbornly hang on to the past yet unwilling to remove the veil to allow us to see the present – the veil that as long as it’s there is going to make us continuously repeat this vicious cycle.

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 10:25 am | #9

      Thanks Shree. Yes,though when it comes to religion, sometimes people choose to cherry pick from scripture to justify their own innate ideas. Thus, the ideas reflected are their own, and not that of the Writer of the aforementioned scripture.

  5. Victoria Taib
    January 30, 2013 at 6:31 pm | #10

    beautiful and concrete statement , well done writer,you are on the spot! now translate this into Malay, so those cannot read english can understand the messages.

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 10:25 am | #11

      Hi Victoria, thanks. I believe as mentioned in one of the comments, the good people at Projek Dialog have picked up this piece and will be translating it soon.Will keep you posted.

  6. JSTOM
    January 30, 2013 at 8:06 pm | #12

    The problem is the authorities use arguments that are not sustainable. They assume the BM Bible is translated from English and only recently as if the Malay language is unique and came into existence only recently! (BTW the Anglican Church (Diocese of West Malaysia) was incorporated under an Act of Parliament.)

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 10:27 am | #13

      Thank you for reading.That, unfortunately is also the mainstream view of many an ignorant person. In regards to your point on the Anglican church, am aware of it (item 7). We also have AoPs on Christian schools, missions etc.

  7. Audrey Ann
    January 31, 2013 at 4:01 am | #14

    faith without action is dead. Well, ur faith is not dead. u’v voiced it out! acted it through ur writing. thank u Brother for inspiring me to also act out my faith in this matter. Lets stay strong together on this for OUR GOD IS VICTORIOUS!

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 10:29 am | #15

      Hi Audrey, thank you for reading.I don’t know about my faith level…,admittedly I’m not exactly a ‘good Christian’, but we try and do what we do when we must.

  8. kinyong wong
    January 31, 2013 at 11:12 am | #16

    I like this article. Thanks writer. Faith is personal and should not be dictated by anyone else. The right to choose is enshrine in our constitution. Unfortunately the constitution has been hijacked by those now in power.

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 2:17 pm | #17

      Thanks for reading. Wholeheartedly agree.

  9. January 31, 2013 at 11:14 am | #18

    i’m Malay and i’m Muslim. I agreed with you, man. All of your facts are true. I’m sorry bout this. And I really hate those blind and arrogant and intolerate politicians!

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 2:18 pm | #19

      Thanks for reading bro. God bless!

  10. ApaiWinCieRa
    January 31, 2013 at 11:33 am | #20

    Bro Emmanuel Joseph, thank you for posting the 10 things that Muslims in Malaysia should know. You are one of our personal Christian to deliver all of this with a useful meaning for everyone to know. You have indicated this on behalf of all Christians, especially in Malaysia in order to glorify Christ, God bless your efforts.

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 2:18 pm | #21

      Thanks for reading Apai

  11. blu
    January 31, 2013 at 12:01 pm | #22

    Excellent piece.

    It is just sad to see that religion is now being used as a political “weapon” to gain votes. Islam has never encouraged Muslims to retaliate or hate non-believers.

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 2:19 pm | #23

      Thanks for reading. Agree wholeheartedly with your statement.

  12. January 31, 2013 at 3:12 pm | #24

    Is the parable of ‘throwing pearls before swine’ the reason us Malaysian Christians would stop sharing our faith in God and Allah. Is it sufficient for us Malaysian Christians to justify ourselves before Christ as we turn our back from our calling to share our most precious? At times, I think, perhaps, Jesus would prefer us to share the grace and love, at the expense of continual effort to insist using the term ‘Allah’, in exchange for winning that one more soul. After all, didn’t God Himself merely addresses Himself as ‘I AM’ to Moses. if God is God is to every soul, ‘I AM’ would perhaps work just fine. Why do we insist in the use of Allah, when it is a term that distracted our cousins-in-God? Perhaps, so is the term God, when that name rings hollow. Or, perhaps, we are certain that we could rule out our rakan-rakan as God’s people also, as we think that ‘I AM’ is merely a personal God. Else, I think we should feel ashamed that we do not wish more of our Malay cousins could get to hear about the gospel.

    One penumpang Kristian Cina looking keenly in the meaning of love thy neighbour, living in a world between Good Friday and Thanksgiving.

    http://katasayang.wordpress.com/category/kata-sayang-kristian/perkasa-saying-i-love-u-to-ibrahim-ali/

  13. January 31, 2013 at 3:20 pm | #25

    I think my previous post is a bit too wordy, and has poor grammar. In short, I just thought, perhaps, there is room to consider that collectively as Christians, we would want to be straightforward in spelling out our deepest calling of wanting to share our faith, because we do genuinely love our cousins-in-God, just as many Muslims would want us to understand more about their faith, and gentleness.

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 3:39 pm | #26

      Hi Katasayang, Thanks for reading.I believe in love and peace as much as the next Christian and I understand where you’re coming from. Perhaps you’ve missed the point of the entire post- the ‘insistence’ is not so much a stubborn refusal to yield a word. It goes deeper than that.

      Personally I don’t use the word in liturgy. But why should my Sabahan and Sarawakian brethren be denied the only name they know Yawyeh by ? And why now?

      Should they be made to sacrifice their comfort and freedoms for ours ?

      More pertinently, what next?
      P/S: Nice article

  14. EJ
    January 31, 2013 at 5:14 pm | #27

    Sdr Hasan, perkataan asal bagi ‘God’ adalah dalam bahasa Ibrani adalah ‘YWYH’ atau ‘Saya adalah’, iaitu singkatan kata-kata pertamaNya kepada Moses- ‘I am who I am’. Soalan saudara terlalu simplistik untuk dijawab dan tidak merangkumi keseluruhan persoalan yang seharusnya tidak timbul. Mungkin yang saudara maksudkan adalah 3 bahasa berbeza untuk tempoh penulisan Bible yang berbeza, Tidak seperti Al-Quran, Bible yang digunapakai orang Kristian hari ini sebenarnya adalah kompilasi buku-buku yang merentasi tempoh beribu tahun and melangkaui batas geografi beberapa negara Timur Tengah.

    • hasan
      February 1, 2013 at 1:59 am | #28

      ya, betul simplistik, dan jawapannya sepatutnya ‘ya, ada kalimah Allah dalam Bible asal’ atau ‘tidak ada’ sahaja. permintaan saya untuk mendengar pendapat tuan dalam hal tidak perlu menukar nama dalam apa2 bahasa juga tidak didengari. berkaitan bible merentasi tempoh beribu tahun, quran juga telah lebih 1400 tahun. terima kasih.

      • hasan
        February 1, 2013 at 2:05 am | #29

        oh maaf, saya minta izin menulis dalam bahasa melayu yg agak rojak. seharusnya ini saya dahulukan. terima kasih.

      • EJ
        February 1, 2013 at 8:39 am | #30

        Sdr Hasan, kalimah mula digunakan dalam Bible versi Arab secara dari kurun ke-8 Masihi.Ia digunakan dalam Torah masyarakat Yahudi Mizrahi (keturunan Arab) sebelum kurun ke-2. Dalam konteks Indonesia, versi bercetak pertama yang menggunakan kalimah adalah pada tahun 1629.

        Untuk menjawab persoalan saudara mengenai perlunya menukar nama asal, sila rujuk dua ayat terakhir poin 4.

  15. abdul
    February 1, 2013 at 12:14 am | #31

    I’m a malay muslim. Simply agreed to what have you written here. My humble and utmost respect to you.

  16. Muhammad
    February 1, 2013 at 3:50 am | #33

    Great, brother.

    I’m a Malay and my educational background is in Islamic Studies & Jurisprudence. I’m very passionate in studying the authentic Muhammadan prophetic sayings & traditions as well as the quranic commentary.

    Never I found a single word in the quran and its commentary or from prophet Muhammad’s sayings that prohibit or restrict non Muslims from using the word Allah, nor did they ask the Muslims to deny others from using it.

    In fact it is every Muslim’s obligation to intro Allah to others. In the first chapter of the quran, Alfatihah or The Opener, Allah begins with: In the name of God, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful. All praise and thanks is for God, [The] Creator, Owner, Sustainer of the Worlds.

    If the word Allah is especially and exclusively for Muslims or Malays only, He Allah would have used The Creator of the Malays or Arabs in the opening chapter. Rather he used The Creator of the Worlds to state and declare that He created all.

    Interestingly we will find in other chapters Allah encouraged Muslims to invite others to Allah and introduce Him to them. I wonder how on earth could the Muslims introduce Him to others if they (Non Muslims) are not allowed to even mention His Name.

    • EJ
      February 1, 2013 at 8:43 am | #34

      I am grateful , brother Muhammad, that you took the time to visit this page and leave this comment. I too am studying law, and I have decided to add Fiqh and Syariah as additional subjects. Perhaps we could keep in touch and have a cup of coffee, I look forward to meeting more people with Islamic studies background, especially one who converses so eloquently in English (admittedly, my Bahasa is limited, disabling me from expressing my views correctly, it often comes out clumsy,crude and unintentionally disrespectful) :P

  17. Thamara
    February 1, 2013 at 10:23 am | #35

    EJ, great piece. You’re too modest in saying your BM is limited. I think you’ve expressed articulately what most of us would want to say. Have a great weekend EJ.

  18. darlene
    February 1, 2013 at 10:56 am | #36

    I’m totally agreed with your article EJ..I’m hoping this religions conflict specially in our own country could end..i’m a christian and very sad with what happen around us nowadays.. I believed all the religions never ask their followers to be haters..why can’t we live in harmony..just because of one word, we could be in middle of war field..just need peace..luckily, my muslims family and friend in Sabah are more open-minded and we can still sit and eat together in sabah real 1malaysia restaurants.without using the government flags fake1M.. .no haters..

  19. EJ
    February 1, 2013 at 11:27 am | #37

    Thanks, Thamara and Darlene :)

  20. Fr.jay
    February 5, 2013 at 9:47 am | #38

    TQ for thre wonderful article. It’s a vwery good one coming from a lay person. I guess you had spent some time going through the situation and responded well. May the Lord continue to grant you special wisdom and courage as you voice for the Lord. God bless you, brother.

    • EJ
      February 5, 2013 at 10:21 am | #39

      Thanks Fr Jay, you are too kind… Was wondering which church you come from? (Can DM me or email me or FB me?) :)

  21. Dickinson
    February 5, 2013 at 11:47 am | #40

    Just use the word Tuhan lah. Why must we insist to use the word Allah?? Tuhan is a general noun for God. Just use Tuhan, and stop the bickering.

    • EJ
      February 5, 2013 at 12:09 pm | #41

      Tuhan is not the general noun for God, its a mistranslation that went uncorrected for centuries. Tuhan is an embellishment to the same cognate root word as Tuan. But to each his own.

  22. Delia4k
    February 5, 2013 at 1:09 pm | #42

    Bravo for writing this piece. Well said!

  23. Ezra KOk
    February 5, 2013 at 3:14 pm | #44

    Thank you for this simple but clear statement.

  24. brown
    February 5, 2013 at 4:57 pm | #46

    nice work brother EJ…now i wonder why some of muslim in malaysia still wanna argue about this..to those muslim that respect the christian…u have my respect in the name of god..n those who aren’t still not..i always expecting that from u..i’ve got family member which is muslim..n we’re never been in this kind of argument..the most important thing about this matter is we respect each other..i nver heard any religion thought their follower to do something bad to other people..instead,loving each other..n the only result coming from that action is creating a peace world…

    i hope we(muslim n christian) can be a fren n dont having this kind of argument anymore..i am tired of this..just wanna live in peace world…amen..

    • EJ
      February 5, 2013 at 5:00 pm | #47

      Unfortunately Brown, kindness and respect are rare commodities in this selfish world of ours…

      • brown
        February 5, 2013 at 9:14 pm | #48

        yup..i am pretty sure about that..but, that action are come from us…so that’s mean we still can do the opposite thing..it’s just we are willing to do it or not..:)

  25. February 27, 2013 at 11:48 pm | #49

    Hello EJ, I stumbled upon your blog, this post in particular.

    I’m a Malaysian Muslim and I have to say, I was quite unaware that this was still an issue! i did hear about it on TV in the past since I hadn’t heard anything regarding it since then I must have assumed it was somehow resolved. Out of sight, out of mind unfortunately.

    I’m from an Islamic school and I completely agree with Muhammad. The word Allah (I assume that is the word you refer to?) has never been exclusive for Muslims. To my knowledge Arabs from many religions used it. That’s probably why it’s a non-issue in Saudi, as you said. Honestly, I think it’s pretty ridiculous, aren’t we referring to the same thing? God who created everything? (Unless you mean Jesus as God, which I don’t really understand tbh) But still linguistically, isn’t it the same as the word Lord being used in English translations of the Qur’an?

    Also, about those conversions of Muslims into Christianity, I think that says more about us Malaysian Muslims than it does about Christians involved. If their grasp of the religion was solid, how can the mere use of the same word sway them out of Islam?

    Anyway it’s a real pleasure to have found this blog and read your opinion. It’s quite rare that people openly discuss religion nowadays, and I’ve never had the chance to talk about religion with a Christian. Maybe you would be so kind as to let me ask you things?

    Sorry if my comment is a bit lengthy :)

  26. EJ
    March 1, 2013 at 8:08 am | #50

    Hi Nadine- thanks for reading. Sure, I believe honest dialogue between honest people trying to understand God and by extension of this, themselves is far better a solution toward dialogue as opposed to the politically flavoured monologues we have these days :) Feel free to look me up on FB or MSN , its easier to talk that way :D

    emmanuel_83 at hotmail dotcom :)

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