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10 Things Malaysian Muslims Need to Know/Remember/Realize About Malaysian Christians.

January 21, 2013 Leave a comment Go to comments

Disclaimer:
Written below is my opinion, as a Christian, as a Malaysian. Its not the official view of any church body and not all Christians.Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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And you need listen,listen,listen, to know and understand this, and just trust me on this.

1. We are not using the kalimah to convert Muslims to Christians. Of the THREE documented ‘conversions’ NONE were because of a Malay Bible.One was due to adoption, one read the English Bible (which he got himself) and the third was because of marriage.Contrast this to the tens of thousands of Christians converting to Islam in Malaysia and you will see, we are really the ones who should be worried.

2.Semenanjung Christians do not use the word because we PREFER it, we simply follow the word used in the Indonesian Bibles used by our Sabahan and Sarawakian brothers and sisters who attend service here in Semenanjung.Trust me, my priest struggles with Bahasa but does it just to accomodate them. Bahasa is the only language they really understand apart from their own native tongue. We’re not talking about the Bians and Bumburings and Ikings and Kitingans of the world here, we’re talking about students from the interior, manual workers and entry level staff.They are mostly Catholic and SIB (Sidang Injil Borneo), though many churches also have Sabahan and Sarawakians, and don’t forget the Indonesians, who have a large Christian population- Batak and Flores are technically almost entirely Christian.

For those asking, why not bring in a local Iban or Kadazan or Indonesian priest or localize the services…..they, like us are scattered. In Klang alone, there are four Catholic churches, many chapels, and more than thirty Protestant churches.Anyway, the law you are supporting, will affect them either way, whether they remain in Semananjung and East Malaysia.

3. By LAW , WE cannot give you ANY material regarding Christianity, be it a CD, or a Bible or an email. ALL Printed Material needs to be printed with ‘FOR CHRISTIANS ONLY’ Any attempt by a Muslim to obtain this is equally unlawful, as there are Syariah provisions against this.BY CONVENTION, Muslims do not attend Mass in Church. So HOW CAN something you CANNOT READ, CANNOT SEE, and CANNOT HEAR ever offend you? The idea that we would desecrate the kalimah equally illogical.Why would we insult God?

4. The usage of the word is not something new, it is something that predates Malaysia’s formation, the British Occupation. The Bible was originally Koine Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. Hebrew is very similar to Arabic.The Bible was translated first to Latin, then to another 1223 languages, 471 of which is commonly used.  There are still efforts to translate another 1500 languages, mainly for academic purposes. Generally Christians believe the message of God is best delivered in the hearer’s own tongue. That is why Christian missionaries those days, spent years, learning the tongue, before translating the bible into it, then only preaching to them.It was the same with the Native Americans, Chinese,Japanese,South Americans, Africans. This is the opposite of how Islam was spread, which would be to teach the converts Arabic terms.

5.Malaysia is the only country in the world with this problem. Saudi Arabia, the world’s bedrock of Islam and Indonesia, the world’s largest Muslim country, doesn’t.

6.Hostility towards us is clearly politically motivated, we have been living amongst you for many, many years, we’ve shared and built schools, orphanages,hospitals, old folks homes for Malaysians of all ages.There is zero proof ZERO, of any attempt other than feeble pseudo-hard-to-believe gossips and murmurs. Has anyone brought forward any concrete proof of any conspiracy to convert Muslims?Had we wished to do so, don’t you think we could have used ALL we’ve built above for Malaysians to convert everyone who stepped into those hospitals, schools, clinics or orphanages?

How come this has never been an issue before? Have you thought about it? Check most Christian hospitals, orphanages,schools. Look for the plaque and see who officiated these buildings and you will find many of them opened by the Rulers. Check the plaque at YMCA Kuala Lumpur. See who was their first patron.

7. Lest you forget this bond of friendship, we are the only religion in Malaysia that is mentioned by name in Acts of Parliament apart from Islam.The large proportion Malaysian Christians are mostly from the Straits Settlements- they were already British Overseas Citizens. So the argument that we were poor, desperate and sought shelter here and have a hidden agenda to subvert the nation is not quite accurate.In fact its quite stupid.

8. Rights granted should not be revoked without good reason. We’re not asking for any new rights. In fact, many of our old rights were taken away- including restrictions on places of worship,removal of crosses from buildings we’ve built. But this one, this is a bit too raw a nerve to touch.Christians feel quite worried and insecure.

9. Malaysian Christians are not the only ones using the word. Malaysian(and global) Sikhs and Baha’is use it as well.As do some Hindus. ALL of the world’s main religions came from Asia,and all Abrahamaic religions from a very small part in Asia Minor, hence, the etymological similarity should not be entirely unexpected.

10. Malaysian Christians , like most Christians are engaging and peaceful people. So please, don’t bully us. Please don’t allow yourselves to be consumed by blind hate led on by blind politicians.Many will provoke and ask you this question ‘WHAT MORE DO THEY WANT?’ My answer would be, ‘We just wanna be left alone’.

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  1. January 22, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Wonderful post you have here. Thoroughly enjoyed the whole article, and I do agree with all the points given. It’s just that I cannot shake away the feeling of 2 Timothy 3, where it says “But mark this, there will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves”, so irregardless of how much we ask them to ‘leave us alone’, I kind of doubt that they will. Either way, continue to stay strong for Christ. Keep up your posting!

    • EJ
      January 23, 2013 at 7:10 am

      You are too kind.We do what we must,when we must,however we must =)

  2. jauipop
    January 30, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Great piece. Even though I’m personally agnostic, I’m an advocate for the freedom for everyone to practice what they want and how they want. I despise what the rulers of this country are doing – using religion/religious arguments to drag mentality and society back to the 1800s. What I don’t understand is that most of the people who are spewing these comments/rules out were educated during an era of free thinking and liberalisation in Malaysia. They’re just now upbringing a generation of stupid and ignorant. I’m hoping that more people (who are on THAT side of the fence) read your piece and actually THINK… unfortunately, the people who will read this are the ones who probably already agree with you.
    Any chance of getting someone to translate this into Bahasa (since the “word” isn’t used – clever) so that there can be a wider audience, as I know that a lot of the population (who need to read it) don’t actually read English very well (another issue).

    • EJ
      January 30, 2013 at 10:58 am

      Thank you. Excerpts should appear in The Malaysian Insider this week and I believe the good people at Projek Dialog are working on a translation and it should be appearing there soon.

      • hasan
        January 31, 2013 at 4:58 pm

        Dalam perenggan 4, tuan akui asal Bible dalam beberapa bahasa. Adakah kalimah Allah dalam Bible asal ini tuan? Nama saya hasan dalam bahasa Arab yang bermaksud baik dalam Bahasa Melayu. Saya tak pernah terjemah nama saya dalam mana-mana penggunaan bahasa. apa pendapat tuan? Terima kasih.

  3. January 30, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    the point is simple. Some Malays/Muslims are too frightened of Christianity, due to ignorance and political brainwashing, and so resort to make Christians their number one enemy.

    Asking to be left alone won’t help. What the government should do is to ask these cheating and secretive Malays to show themselves up in a public forum and explain their policies and actions.

    They normally secretly parade their bigotry and hatred to other muslims, some even forming a formal “Islamic” social organization. And of course approved by the government. The government dare not ban hatred organizations because they will lose votes. And so it is all political, yes.

    This country should be cleansed of hatred and bigotry. No government can do that it seems, so we have to do it ourselves.

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 10:23 am

      Its a highly charged political topic, as Malaysians (generally, of all races and religions) are an emotive crowd when it comes to what they hold sacred. This is more pronounced recently.

  4. January 30, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    Good post :) Shared it on FB as well with this comment: Sometimes I wonder if those who instigate all this fear about Christianity in this country know that Islam, Judaism and Christianity are known collectively as the Abrahamic faiths and that we are also collectively called The People of the Book? Any way you look at it, we can’t escape the fact that the 3 come from the same root and that we are but cousins…sometimes I feel maybe even siblings who seem to have forgotten our roots because of our capacity to stubbornly hang on to the past yet unwilling to remove the veil to allow us to see the present – the veil that as long as it’s there is going to make us continuously repeat this vicious cycle.

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 10:25 am

      Thanks Shree. Yes,though when it comes to religion, sometimes people choose to cherry pick from scripture to justify their own innate ideas. Thus, the ideas reflected are their own, and not that of the Writer of the aforementioned scripture.

  5. Victoria Taib
    January 30, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    beautiful and concrete statement , well done writer,you are on the spot! now translate this into Malay, so those cannot read english can understand the messages.

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 10:25 am

      Hi Victoria, thanks. I believe as mentioned in one of the comments, the good people at Projek Dialog have picked up this piece and will be translating it soon.Will keep you posted.

  6. JSTOM
    January 30, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    The problem is the authorities use arguments that are not sustainable. They assume the BM Bible is translated from English and only recently as if the Malay language is unique and came into existence only recently! (BTW the Anglican Church (Diocese of West Malaysia) was incorporated under an Act of Parliament.)

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 10:27 am

      Thank you for reading.That, unfortunately is also the mainstream view of many an ignorant person. In regards to your point on the Anglican church, am aware of it (item 7). We also have AoPs on Christian schools, missions etc.

  7. Audrey Ann
    January 31, 2013 at 4:01 am

    faith without action is dead. Well, ur faith is not dead. u’v voiced it out! acted it through ur writing. thank u Brother for inspiring me to also act out my faith in this matter. Lets stay strong together on this for OUR GOD IS VICTORIOUS!

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 10:29 am

      Hi Audrey, thank you for reading.I don’t know about my faith level…,admittedly I’m not exactly a ‘good Christian’, but we try and do what we do when we must.

  8. kinyong wong
    January 31, 2013 at 11:12 am

    I like this article. Thanks writer. Faith is personal and should not be dictated by anyone else. The right to choose is enshrine in our constitution. Unfortunately the constitution has been hijacked by those now in power.

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 2:17 pm

      Thanks for reading. Wholeheartedly agree.

  9. January 31, 2013 at 11:14 am

    i’m Malay and i’m Muslim. I agreed with you, man. All of your facts are true. I’m sorry bout this. And I really hate those blind and arrogant and intolerate politicians!

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 2:18 pm

      Thanks for reading bro. God bless!

    • Rachel
      January 3, 2014 at 2:07 am

      The world would be a better place if everybody had a sense of respect like yours :) Thank you raimi.God bless !!

    • Kapitan Yap
      January 3, 2014 at 1:33 pm

      Thanks for voicing out for stand (31Jan), Raimi.

      Kapitan Yap

  10. ApaiWinCieRa
    January 31, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Bro Emmanuel Joseph, thank you for posting the 10 things that Muslims in Malaysia should know. You are one of our personal Christian to deliver all of this with a useful meaning for everyone to know. You have indicated this on behalf of all Christians, especially in Malaysia in order to glorify Christ, God bless your efforts.

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 2:18 pm

      Thanks for reading Apai

  11. blu
    January 31, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Excellent piece.

    It is just sad to see that religion is now being used as a political “weapon” to gain votes. Islam has never encouraged Muslims to retaliate or hate non-believers.

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 2:19 pm

      Thanks for reading. Agree wholeheartedly with your statement.

  12. January 31, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Is the parable of ‘throwing pearls before swine’ the reason us Malaysian Christians would stop sharing our faith in God and Allah. Is it sufficient for us Malaysian Christians to justify ourselves before Christ as we turn our back from our calling to share our most precious? At times, I think, perhaps, Jesus would prefer us to share the grace and love, at the expense of continual effort to insist using the term ‘Allah’, in exchange for winning that one more soul. After all, didn’t God Himself merely addresses Himself as ‘I AM’ to Moses. if God is God is to every soul, ‘I AM’ would perhaps work just fine. Why do we insist in the use of Allah, when it is a term that distracted our cousins-in-God? Perhaps, so is the term God, when that name rings hollow. Or, perhaps, we are certain that we could rule out our rakan-rakan as God’s people also, as we think that ‘I AM’ is merely a personal God. Else, I think we should feel ashamed that we do not wish more of our Malay cousins could get to hear about the gospel.

    One penumpang Kristian Cina looking keenly in the meaning of love thy neighbour, living in a world between Good Friday and Thanksgiving.

    http://katasayang.wordpress.com/category/kata-sayang-kristian/perkasa-saying-i-love-u-to-ibrahim-ali/

  13. January 31, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    I think my previous post is a bit too wordy, and has poor grammar. In short, I just thought, perhaps, there is room to consider that collectively as Christians, we would want to be straightforward in spelling out our deepest calling of wanting to share our faith, because we do genuinely love our cousins-in-God, just as many Muslims would want us to understand more about their faith, and gentleness.

    • EJ
      January 31, 2013 at 3:39 pm

      Hi Katasayang, Thanks for reading.I believe in love and peace as much as the next Christian and I understand where you’re coming from. Perhaps you’ve missed the point of the entire post- the ‘insistence’ is not so much a stubborn refusal to yield a word. It goes deeper than that.

      Personally I don’t use the word in liturgy. But why should my Sabahan and Sarawakian brethren be denied the only name they know Yawyeh by ? And why now?

      Should they be made to sacrifice their comfort and freedoms for ours ?

      More pertinently, what next?
      P/S: Nice article

  14. EJ
    January 31, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Sdr Hasan, perkataan asal bagi ‘God’ adalah dalam bahasa Ibrani adalah ‘YWYH’ atau ‘Saya adalah’, iaitu singkatan kata-kata pertamaNya kepada Moses- ‘I am who I am’. Soalan saudara terlalu simplistik untuk dijawab dan tidak merangkumi keseluruhan persoalan yang seharusnya tidak timbul. Mungkin yang saudara maksudkan adalah 3 bahasa berbeza untuk tempoh penulisan Bible yang berbeza, Tidak seperti Al-Quran, Bible yang digunapakai orang Kristian hari ini sebenarnya adalah kompilasi buku-buku yang merentasi tempoh beribu tahun and melangkaui batas geografi beberapa negara Timur Tengah.

    • hasan
      February 1, 2013 at 1:59 am

      ya, betul simplistik, dan jawapannya sepatutnya ‘ya, ada kalimah Allah dalam Bible asal’ atau ‘tidak ada’ sahaja. permintaan saya untuk mendengar pendapat tuan dalam hal tidak perlu menukar nama dalam apa2 bahasa juga tidak didengari. berkaitan bible merentasi tempoh beribu tahun, quran juga telah lebih 1400 tahun. terima kasih.

      • hasan
        February 1, 2013 at 2:05 am

        oh maaf, saya minta izin menulis dalam bahasa melayu yg agak rojak. seharusnya ini saya dahulukan. terima kasih.

      • EJ
        February 1, 2013 at 8:39 am

        Sdr Hasan, kalimah mula digunakan dalam Bible versi Arab secara dari kurun ke-8 Masihi.Ia digunakan dalam Torah masyarakat Yahudi Mizrahi (keturunan Arab) sebelum kurun ke-2. Dalam konteks Indonesia, versi bercetak pertama yang menggunakan kalimah adalah pada tahun 1629.

        Untuk menjawab persoalan saudara mengenai perlunya menukar nama asal, sila rujuk dua ayat terakhir poin 4.

      • January 4, 2014 at 6:21 pm

        Semua orang cina and orang india in Malaysia menukar name mereka kepada bahasa melayu la. Katakan Jaguh Badminton Malaysia, “Lee Chong Wei”, kalau nama beliau tidak ditukarkan kepada bahasa melayu “Lee Chong Wei”, macam mana kamu boleh baca nama beliau dalam bahasa cina?

      • EJ
        January 5, 2014 at 2:22 pm

        Haha, its more complex than that, but yeah, the gist…

  15. abdul
    February 1, 2013 at 12:14 am

    I’m a malay muslim. Simply agreed to what have you written here. My humble and utmost respect to you.

    • EJ
      February 1, 2013 at 8:43 am

      Thank you , Sdr Abdul :)

    • Rachel
      January 3, 2014 at 2:10 am

      I said this to raimi above,and im saying this to you as well.This world would be such a peaceful place to live in if everyone had a sense of respect like you do.Thank you abdul.My respect right back at ya :) God bless !!

  16. Muhammad
    February 1, 2013 at 3:50 am

    Great, brother.

    I’m a Malay and my educational background is in Islamic Studies & Jurisprudence. I’m very passionate in studying the authentic Muhammadan prophetic sayings & traditions as well as the quranic commentary.

    Never I found a single word in the quran and its commentary or from prophet Muhammad’s sayings that prohibit or restrict non Muslims from using the word Allah, nor did they ask the Muslims to deny others from using it.

    In fact it is every Muslim’s obligation to intro Allah to others. In the first chapter of the quran, Alfatihah or The Opener, Allah begins with: In the name of God, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful. All praise and thanks is for God, [The] Creator, Owner, Sustainer of the Worlds.

    If the word Allah is especially and exclusively for Muslims or Malays only, He Allah would have used The Creator of the Malays or Arabs in the opening chapter. Rather he used The Creator of the Worlds to state and declare that He created all.

    Interestingly we will find in other chapters Allah encouraged Muslims to invite others to Allah and introduce Him to them. I wonder how on earth could the Muslims introduce Him to others if they (Non Muslims) are not allowed to even mention His Name.

    • EJ
      February 1, 2013 at 8:43 am

      I am grateful , brother Muhammad, that you took the time to visit this page and leave this comment. I too am studying law, and I have decided to add Fiqh and Syariah as additional subjects. Perhaps we could keep in touch and have a cup of coffee, I look forward to meeting more people with Islamic studies background, especially one who converses so eloquently in English (admittedly, my Bahasa is limited, disabling me from expressing my views correctly, it often comes out clumsy,crude and unintentionally disrespectful) :P

    • Kapitan Yap
      January 3, 2014 at 1:38 pm

      (Jan1, 3.50am) Clear solid point, Muhammad. Thumbs-up. Thanks.

    • January 3, 2014 at 6:36 pm

      hai muhammad, I think u misunderstanding the meaning of bismillahirrahmanirrahim .. it is not in the name of God, it should be in the name of Allah or full meaning “In the name of Allah , the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful ” thank you
      ref:http://quran.com/1

  17. Thamara
    February 1, 2013 at 10:23 am

    EJ, great piece. You’re too modest in saying your BM is limited. I think you’ve expressed articulately what most of us would want to say. Have a great weekend EJ.

  18. darlene
    February 1, 2013 at 10:56 am

    I’m totally agreed with your article EJ..I’m hoping this religions conflict specially in our own country could end..i’m a christian and very sad with what happen around us nowadays.. I believed all the religions never ask their followers to be haters..why can’t we live in harmony..just because of one word, we could be in middle of war field..just need peace..luckily, my muslims family and friend in Sabah are more open-minded and we can still sit and eat together in sabah real 1malaysia restaurants.without using the government flags fake1M.. .no haters..

  19. EJ
    February 1, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Thanks, Thamara and Darlene :)

  20. Fr.jay
    February 5, 2013 at 9:47 am

    TQ for thre wonderful article. It’s a vwery good one coming from a lay person. I guess you had spent some time going through the situation and responded well. May the Lord continue to grant you special wisdom and courage as you voice for the Lord. God bless you, brother.

    • EJ
      February 5, 2013 at 10:21 am

      Thanks Fr Jay, you are too kind… Was wondering which church you come from? (Can DM me or email me or FB me?) :)

  21. Dickinson
    February 5, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Just use the word Tuhan lah. Why must we insist to use the word Allah?? Tuhan is a general noun for God. Just use Tuhan, and stop the bickering.

    • EJ
      February 5, 2013 at 12:09 pm

      Tuhan is not the general noun for God, its a mistranslation that went uncorrected for centuries. Tuhan is an embellishment to the same cognate root word as Tuan. But to each his own.

  22. Delia4k
    February 5, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Bravo for writing this piece. Well said!

    • EJ
      February 5, 2013 at 3:12 pm

      Thanks Delia :)

  23. Ezra KOk
    February 5, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    Thank you for this simple but clear statement.

    • EJ
      February 5, 2013 at 3:16 pm

      Most welcome, Ezra.

  24. brown
    February 5, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    nice work brother EJ…now i wonder why some of muslim in malaysia still wanna argue about this..to those muslim that respect the christian…u have my respect in the name of god..n those who aren’t still not..i always expecting that from u..i’ve got family member which is muslim..n we’re never been in this kind of argument..the most important thing about this matter is we respect each other..i nver heard any religion thought their follower to do something bad to other people..instead,loving each other..n the only result coming from that action is creating a peace world…

    i hope we(muslim n christian) can be a fren n dont having this kind of argument anymore..i am tired of this..just wanna live in peace world…amen..

    • EJ
      February 5, 2013 at 5:00 pm

      Unfortunately Brown, kindness and respect are rare commodities in this selfish world of ours…

      • brown
        February 5, 2013 at 9:14 pm

        yup..i am pretty sure about that..but, that action are come from us…so that’s mean we still can do the opposite thing..it’s just we are willing to do it or not..:)

  25. February 27, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    Hello EJ, I stumbled upon your blog, this post in particular.

    I’m a Malaysian Muslim and I have to say, I was quite unaware that this was still an issue! i did hear about it on TV in the past since I hadn’t heard anything regarding it since then I must have assumed it was somehow resolved. Out of sight, out of mind unfortunately.

    I’m from an Islamic school and I completely agree with Muhammad. The word Allah (I assume that is the word you refer to?) has never been exclusive for Muslims. To my knowledge Arabs from many religions used it. That’s probably why it’s a non-issue in Saudi, as you said. Honestly, I think it’s pretty ridiculous, aren’t we referring to the same thing? God who created everything? (Unless you mean Jesus as God, which I don’t really understand tbh) But still linguistically, isn’t it the same as the word Lord being used in English translations of the Qur’an?

    Also, about those conversions of Muslims into Christianity, I think that says more about us Malaysian Muslims than it does about Christians involved. If their grasp of the religion was solid, how can the mere use of the same word sway them out of Islam?

    Anyway it’s a real pleasure to have found this blog and read your opinion. It’s quite rare that people openly discuss religion nowadays, and I’ve never had the chance to talk about religion with a Christian. Maybe you would be so kind as to let me ask you things?

    Sorry if my comment is a bit lengthy :)

  26. EJ
    March 1, 2013 at 8:08 am

    Hi Nadine- thanks for reading. Sure, I believe honest dialogue between honest people trying to understand God and by extension of this, themselves is far better a solution toward dialogue as opposed to the politically flavoured monologues we have these days :) Feel free to look me up on FB or MSN , its easier to talk that way :D

    emmanuel_83 at hotmail dotcom :)

  27. Chester
    January 3, 2014 at 12:07 am

    Thansk brother.
    I agree a lot with your article here.
    Sometimes I even wonder how the muslims from the govt departments got hold onto magazines and Christian publication books such as the Heralds when all publications were written clearly “for internal circulation only”.

  28. Ho
    January 3, 2014 at 12:50 am

    hasan :
    Dalam perenggan 4, tuan akui asal Bible dalam beberapa bahasa. Adakah kalimah Allah dalam Bible asal ini tuan? Nama saya hasan dalam bahasa Arab yang bermaksud baik dalam Bahasa Melayu. Saya tak pernah terjemah nama saya dalam mana-mana penggunaan bahasa. apa pendapat tuan? Terima kasih.

    I would appreciate your clarification. If we translate Hasan ( in BM) to English, it would still be Hasan. But I notice that in the Bible, John (English) is translated as Yahya (BM) or Yohanes (Indonesia) in the Alkitab. Is there a difference in translation methods?

  29. KamalMasrun
    January 3, 2014 at 4:01 am

    I’ve never thought of reading a religion related article in calm =P, you sir are a good writer, i give u that, 1st of all, please bare with my poor english

    This issue clearly came out politics, you studies law, and you know better i think, just to recap, when Ulamak from the green party make a statement, granted the term for Christians’ use, the Blue party mocked them, causing hatred and of course chaos for awhile, accused them for being insensetive, i got confused then, and i didn’t say word, after the green party pull back the statement, i got even more confused, but u know the whole stories

    Anyway, i just realize tonight (damn my slow sense) that the decision were made based on like what brother muhammad and nadine appointed; the understanding of the whole situation

    You addressed your concern and worries about conversion of christian to Muslim, well, it does to us Muslim too, we both worried if any one of us got converted, thats natural, can i say do i want to convert u? yes i would, and i think u would’ve done the same to me if u got a chance, thats natural, that makes us Muslims always beware about any issue raised by other religion, and this worried feeling that leads to extremist, hatred and a bit of paranoia and politics always win them

    I agree with nadine there, if one don’t have a strong belief or faith, even without this particular term issue, he/she would slipped anyway

    I realize that this feeling of caution won’t vanish just like that, not in million years, only thing i wish for is, i hope theres no violence involve — but u just can’t change everyones’ thought with yours, right?

    • EJ
      January 3, 2014 at 4:52 pm

      “But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca, ‘ is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.” Mt 5:22 :) Thank you for reading.

  30. Vani Claudia Shena
    January 3, 2014 at 9:46 am

    This is a well written article. In. my opinion, we. are wasting our time discussing a topic where those. who raided and commenting the word. “Allah” used in Bible. Well, the word. is used. in Sikh holly book and Bahai hollybook. even in rigveda, has been used. All i can say is some narrow mind of some typical Malays need to be taught on World. History.

    • EJ
      January 3, 2014 at 4:53 pm

      Its not a question of race, rather one of heart.

      • January 3, 2014 at 5:12 pm

        Unfortunately, that too directs to some/most of them.. Too bad..

  31. Agnes Heller
    January 3, 2014 at 10:13 am

    This is a great venue to air one’s feelings/ opinions/ thoughts on this complicated, sensitive and not to say, HOT issue in Malaysia right now.I am pleased to know that ,so far, what I have read here are eloquent and intelligent discussions. I read everything and I respect all opinions.It is very healthy for us to speak up, be listened to and not be afraid to voice what we really feel about this issue. There should not be any fear in airing one’s opinion as long as we stick to the point and be relevant and respectful.We don’t want to blow this up into something that could become hateful and violent. Kudos to the writer: you hold your own with your relevant replies to every comment and question. Peace, and may God bless everyone. We are all from the same God. Brother kamal – thanks for your comment.Don’t worry about your command of the English language. I think most of us who read this could pick up your point/ message. And no, personally I don’t think one person’s opinion is expected to change everyone’s opinion. We are blessed with the right to think. God gave us intelligent minds to question and think accordingly.However we have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable.In this issue, most who care to write will either agree or agree to disagree . I love peace and I want to live in peace with my fellow human beings of whatever faith.

    • EJ
      January 3, 2014 at 4:54 pm

      As do many people.Unfortunately the loud voice of a few is drowning the silent desire of many :/

  32. farouq omaro
    January 3, 2014 at 10:48 am

    I am with you bro

    • EJ
      January 3, 2014 at 4:54 pm

      Thank you! GHlad to have you bro :)

  33. Reggie
    January 3, 2014 at 11:38 am

    Discovered this almost a year later, but definitely a good read! Let His truth prevail. God bless and have a blessed new year!

    • EJ
      January 3, 2014 at 4:56 pm

      Better late than never :) GBU2.

  34. January 3, 2014 at 11:39 am

    Dear author, you may need to translate these 10 policies into Bahasa Malaysia so you might be able to capture the majority target market of this article. P.s.

  35. mariakanyan
    January 3, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    god bless you bro. Tq for this.

  36. Jude
    January 3, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    Peace on earth..

  37. Joseph Nathan
    January 3, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    You have put in a lot of work in writting this article. Great Job Emmanuel, God Bless You.

    • EJ
      January 3, 2014 at 4:58 pm

      GBU2. Not really la.Just wanted to say something..

  38. January 3, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    Good Day Readers,

    I am blessed that I came from a college that promotes studying of other religions, IIUM. And I do have a few bibles given by my Christian friends much to the dismay of some of my Muslim friends (haha please do not reveal my details as I most probably get caught having something which I am not supposed to – joking :)) The fear and lack of understanding leads to all this hocus pocus! Instead of accusations flying around, as discussion session, much like this one is preferred. Thank you for the lovely opinion shared – hope not to late for that:)

  39. helensky92
    January 3, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    I don’t understand at all based on how “Malaysian” Muslim get angry because of Allah issue.. they should have know what does Allah really means. ==” Allah basically means God.. that’s all. Yet they raid and they refrain to use Allah. Does that mean Christian must not have God? Why they should be scared of? If they are really love their religion no matter what they will stay faithful to their religion. Don’t bring shame to your own religion. I like a sentence called “Don’t bother us at all”. I respect Muslim that respect me as a brother or a sister. I have a aunty who are Muslim that really love us (christian) without even try to convert us to Muslim. World peace with understanding not bringing other to understand you.

    • EJ
      January 3, 2014 at 5:00 pm

      It really is a question of heart. Like you, I have many awesome Muslim family and friends too. “Al Ilah” would mean “The God” directly translated. The problem is most Muslims here have been conditioned with two misfacts 1)We do not use the word, its something new. 2)The Christians have been calling God “Tuhan” all this while. Both are wrong and we need to first address these two mis-facts before attempting to dialogue.

  40. January 3, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    well said my friend, well said.. :’)

  41. Mattha
    January 3, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    Thankfully there are some (although not many) muslims who share the same view as you my friend. With JAIS raiding the Bible Society yesterday I feel they are pushing out buttons, testing the water to see how much they can get away with. I really pray this issue will be brought up amongst higher authority and our country’s leaders. God with us.

    PS. Translate this into BM. Alot need to know.

  42. Nazrin23
    January 3, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    You sir, have wrote a very good and solid article. I’m a Malay Muslim myself, a Sabahan in fact, and is also torn apart due to this issue of banning the kalimah ‘Allah’ for the Bible. As I know, in Quran, it never stated that Allah belongs to only Muslims or Malays. He is the God of all and creator of all. To serve justice, i think it’s rather inappropriate to ban the Christians from using the word Allah. And i never heard of any cases that Muslims convert to Christians due to this issue. It’s quite absurd.

    • EJ
      January 3, 2014 at 6:35 pm

      Thank you Sdr Nazrin :) Sincerely, sincerely, thank you.

  43. shah
    January 3, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    A very solid article bro, salute to you…..religion is about faith in God. My islam brothers in Malaysia should do something else rather than pursuing this matter. For your info i studied in a brother school in the 70’s and 80’s, and in our classroom wall there was a CROSS but no matter what i am still a believer of islam and will always be.

    • EJ
      January 3, 2014 at 6:43 pm

      Thank you, Sdr Shah. Sincerely.

  44. January 3, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    Amen!! And God Bless You Brother, really good read!!

  45. Pas member
    January 3, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    I am a muslim and a PAS member infact. I fully support your article… This “issue” is just an issue created by the umno political party to get those votes….

    • EJ
      January 3, 2014 at 5:06 pm

      Thank you, Sdr.

  46. net
    January 3, 2014 at 3:46 pm

    hasan :
    Dalam perenggan 4, tuan akui asal Bible dalam beberapa bahasa. Adakah kalimah Allah dalam Bible asal ini tuan? Nama saya hasan dalam bahasa Arab yang bermaksud baik dalam Bahasa Melayu. Saya tak pernah terjemah nama saya dalam mana-mana penggunaan bahasa. apa pendapat tuan? Terima kasih.

    For Hasan

    kebanyakan perkataan daripada bahasa melayu dipinjam daripad bahasa arab. Because bible is translated to bahasa so we use “Allah” to represent One God in Bahasa Melayu. And for your information, i have seen an old bible in my house which have been translated to bahasa indonesia and there is “Allah” word there. It has been a long time we use the word, but why now? Muslims should not afraid of being converted if they really strong in their faith. When the judges said that Christian cannot use “Allah” because christian did not believe in One God so, do they really know about christianity? do they really learn about christian. how can they simply came to conclusion that the christians do not worship One God?. I come from Sabah. I have a lot of muslim relatives. they never questioned my faith and they never being converted.We respect each other and live as family… Most of us the christians being converted because of one main reason: MARRIAGE.

  47. January 3, 2014 at 4:03 pm

    As an outsider, I totally agree with this post. I was actually surprised when this dispute came into picture awhile ago. Coming from a really diverse country – with Islam, Christian, Catholic, Buddhism and Hinduism as the five main religions – I still cannot understand what the big fuss is here in Malaysia. Then as an Indonesian Muslim living in Malaysia, I sometimes find myself dumbfounded with the way people use religion as an excuse for just about anything. I’m not saying that Indonesia doesn’t have conflicts, of course we do – just like any other country. But to have the word “Allah” being disputed to be exclusive only for the Muslims here in Malaysia very often than not makes me wonder what exactly went wrong. Not to mention how some claim that it is exclusive for “Malays”, which then puts me into the category of people that are not allowed to use any common Arabic phrases – because I’m not Malay.

    It is rather sad to think that someone has to point these out for them. For us, these points are pretty much given and we’ve learned them pretty much since we were children. Ethnically, I am Batak, thus I am used to people from my ethnic background being either Christians or Muslim. And that there is no hidden agenda in the usage of “Allah” in the Bible. I believe the same goes to those people in Saudi Arabia or Egypt where Christians and Muslims live side by side.

    Thank you for writing a solid article on this issue. It was a really good read.

    • EJ
      January 3, 2014 at 6:41 pm

      As an insider, believe me, its equally unbelievable….!

  48. allen
    January 3, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    Great piece..and i stumbled upon it from a fellow Muslim’s re-tweet.
    Some additions – getting in Indonesian pastors/priests legally into Malaysia? Our church never managed to get that done. Is that possible?
    If Christian articles/bibles are “for non Muslims only” does JAKIM/JAIS have non Muslim employees who are to read these “offending” material in search of illegal words? Surely not.
    And lastly..i see a silver lining in all this mess. The church comes together [hopefully for more noble/beatitude based causes than this] and at the same time, i believe more right thinking Muslims will be awakened to the twisted feeding the government has been feeding all of us.
    GB & Shalom!!

  49. Mohamad7477
    January 3, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    Penjelasan yg baik bro..Saya seorang muslim..Lahir d sabah..Bagi saya isu ini sepatutnya di selesaikan secara profesional..Bukan secara kasar seperti yg telah terjadi baru2 ini..Sememangnya cara mereka menimbulkan kemarahan banyak pihak yg pasti bukan sahaja yg beragama kristian malah umat islam sendiri..Hakikatnya kita sebagai rakyat malaysia harus ada tolenrasi dalam hal2 sebegini…Cuma saya harap perkara ini tidak di isu kan oleh sesetengah ekstrimis agama kerana boleh mempengaruhi dan melagakan org lain yang membaca pernyataan mereka..Perkara ini juga tolong jangan di politikkan untuk kepentingan sesetengah pihak..Seperti yg anda dengar & lihat di Sabah ada berpuluh etnik & bangsa berlainan agama tetapi kami hidup aman tanpa mengambil kira perbezaan itu dan isu2 begini lah yang boleh memecah belah kan kita sebagai rakyat malaysia….Harap jalan penyelesaian dapat dicapai oleh pihak tertentu tanpa ada masalah lagi..LOVE&RESPECT

  50. Dorothy
    January 3, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    It saddens me that we Christians cannot practice our own religion. In fact, we are being “told” of what to do and “how” to pray. Old churches being bulldozed and churches now are old factory buildings. I remembered it wasn’t like this when I was in primary school or secondary school. When there’s a funeral, we all went. Even the Muslim friends went to the funeral service. Did we chase them out of church? No. In fact, we welcome them.

    Why do they see us as a threat? We meant no harm. And most of them would not understand how we Christians feel. Most of them would just say “If the government doesn’t allow you to use the word Allah then don’t use lah!” We have been using the word Allah for a longgg longggg time already. Why banned it now?

    Others would say we Christians are “disobedient” for not following the rules and regulations.Have they ever wondered that what if it is the other way around? How would they feel if they couldn’t practice their own religion in PEACE?

    I just don’t understand why can’t we all practice our own religion freely. When I was in national service, my best friend is a Muslim. Before eating, we would remind each other to pray. She would say her doa while I would do mine. No argument whatsoever.

    These whole religion thing is just making me mad. Why is the government focusing sooo much on religion instead of realll actual crimes like killing, raping and stealing?

  51. A GOOD HUMAN
    January 3, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    Fabulous post – I see the amount of thought, knowledge and cause for action you have brought forth in this post. Its fabulous. Someday publish it (if you have to). All Malaysian Muslims aren’t believing what politicians are spewing. Its sadly a small sect of the population who is driving this. But yes – The Pen is mightier than the sword my friend – and you – have that gift !!!

    • EJ
      January 3, 2014 at 6:43 pm

      Thank you, sir/madam.

  52. Mohamad7477
    January 3, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    Penjelasan yg baik bro..Saya seorang muslim..Lahir d sabah..Bagi saya isu ini sepatutnya di selesaikan secara profesional..Bukan secara kasar seperti yg telah terjadi baru2 ini..Sememangnya cara mereka menimbulkan kemarahan banyak pihak yg pasti bukan sahaja yg beragama kristian malah umat islam sendiri..Hakikatnya kita sebagai rakyat malaysia harus ada tolenrasi dalam hal2 sebegini…Cuma saya harap perkara ini tidak di isu kan oleh sesetengah ekstrimis agama kerana boleh mempengaruhi dan melagakan org lain yang membaca pernyataan mereka..Perkara ini juga tolong jangan di politikkan untuk kepentingan sesetengah pihak..Seperti yg anda dengar & lihat di Sabah ada berpuluh etnik & bangsa berlainan agama tetapi kami hidup aman tanpa mengambil kira perbezaan itu dan isu2 begini lah yang boleh memecah belah kan kita sebagai rakyat malaysia….Harap jalan penyelesaian dapat dicapai oleh pihak tertentu tanpa ada masalah lagi..LOVE&RESPECT

    • EJ
      January 3, 2014 at 5:10 pm

      Saya pun kadangkala harap dilahirkan di Sabah. Pemimpin kami di Semenanjung agak kurang ilmu dan kecelikan yang dimiliki rakan negei Borneo.

  53. RB
    January 3, 2014 at 4:47 pm

    Nice article bro…May God bless us with love,hope,faith n peace..Amen

  54. Timothy Harley James
    January 3, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    Bro EJ, sorry if this is too much to ask.. Why don’t we as Christians just accept that the rulers already made it clear that we were banned from using that ‘A***h’ word. We do not have the right to judge wether they were right or wrong cause even Jesus did not judge people. So, my honest opinion would be, we just stop this fight of that word. Let they have what they want. I just want we as Christians seek for peace. In Jesus name, I’m sorry if my opinion were wrong. Thanks bro and God bless you always..

    • EJ
      January 3, 2014 at 5:02 pm

      The first line of my post explains everyone has their own thoughts on this. Perhaps my dissatisfaction and disappointment stems from years of watching Christians here and elsewhere get bullied into submission. Why us? What did we do? And if we leave this be, what will they come for next? Extremism has no bounds- hence the term, extremism.

      We are not asked to judge, but to admonish with gentleness and with righteousness (Jn 7:24, Mt 7:2-5, 2Tim 4:2)

  55. mimi
    January 3, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    Saya seorang Melayu Islam. Saya setuju dengan artikel ini dan penerangan Muhammad. Semoga dapat di selesaikan dengan baik. Perlu ada hormat antara agama.

  56. Trueathiest
    January 3, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    Question is…did jesus use “Allah”? Why use a word that the prophet you follow didn’t use? Allah is an arabic word, not an indonasian word, sure as hell isn’t a sabahan or sarawakian word. So why use it? Why not use yahwe? Granted muslims and christians are equally shitty but why poke a hornets nest? If they(muslims) don’t like you guys using it, why not turn the other cheek?

    • EJ
      January 3, 2014 at 5:41 pm

      Jesus didn’t use God either.

      Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________

  57. zam
    January 3, 2014 at 5:47 pm

    Bagi saya kalau org kristian nak guna perkataan allah sila beriman dulu dgn nabi muhammad, dalam bahasa arab tuhan itu Rabbi / God, bukan Allah….Nabi isa diturunkan utk perbetulkan apa yg telah bangsa yahudi telah lalai dgn ajaran nabi Musa utk mengesakan tuhan dan terlalu mengagungkan bangsa yahudi atas sbb bangsa yahudi adalah bangsa pilihan tuhan dan ramai nabi dan rasul adalah dari bangsa yahudi termasuk nabi isa ada seorg yg berbangsa yahudi..Kenapa orang yahudi tidak mahu menggunakan istilah allah dalam tafsiran / ganti nama Yehuwa kepada Allah….dan Nabi Muhammad di utuskan Kepada manusia utk perbetulkan apa ajaran nabi isa yang telah terpesong…..kalo sudi nak beriman kepada sila beriman dgn semua nabi dan rasul yang diturunkan oleh allah… orng islam wajib beriman dan percaya kepada semua nabi termasuk nabi isa…
    Katakanlah: `Dialah Allah, Yang Maha Esa(bukan 3 in1), Allah adalah Tuhan yang bergantung kepada-Nya segala sesuatu,Dia tiada beranak dan tiada pula diperanakkan, dan tidak ada seorangpun yang setara dengan Dia

    • EJ
      January 3, 2014 at 6:37 pm

      Persoalan yang patut ditanya saudara/i adalah apakah umat Kristian cuba mengelirukan umat Islam.Anggap sahajalah kami sesat.Apakah kami turut menyesatkan anda? Rujuk item 3.

  58. zam
    January 3, 2014 at 5:56 pm

    Bagi saya kalau org kristian nak guna perkataan allah sila beriman dulu dgn nabi muhammad, dalam bahasa arab tuhan itu adalah Rabbi, bukan Allah….Nabi isa diturunkan utk perbetulkan apa yg telah bangsa yahudi telah lalai dgn ajaran nabi Musa utk mengesakan tuhan dan terlalu mengagungkan bangsa yahudi atas sbb bangsa yahudi adalah bangsa pilihan tuhan dan ramai nabi dan rasul adalah dari bangsa yahudi termasuk nabi isa adalah seorg yg berbangsa yahudi..Kenapa orang yahudi tidak mahu menggunakan istilah allah dalam tafsiran / ganti nama Yehuwa….Dan apakah pandangan bangsa yahudi terhadapa nabi isa?…adakah mereka beriman kepada nabi isa?..dan Nabi Muhammad di utuskan Kepada manusia utk perbetulkan ajaran nabi isa dan nabi musa yang telah terpesong dari landasan…..kalo sudi nak beriman kepada nabi muhammad dan kepada semua nabi dan rasul yang diturunkan oleh allah…sila la gunakan perkataan allah dalam urusan harian anda… orng islam wajib beriman dan percaya kepada semua nabi termasuk nabi isa sendiri
    Katakanlah: `Dialah Allah, Yang Maha Esa(bukan 3 in1), Allah adalah Tuhan yang bergantung kepada-Nya segala sesuatu,Dia tiada beranak dan tiada pula diperanakkan, dan tidak ada seorangpun yang setara dengan Dia

    • EJ
      January 4, 2014 at 9:34 am

      Telah dijawab dalam artikel di atas.Masyarakat Kristian memanggil Tuhan pelbagai Nama, salahfaham ini berlaku kerana hakikat ini dipertikaikan.

  59. robertson
    January 3, 2014 at 6:07 pm

    My blood says..dont fuck with me and i wont fuck with you! My church says, forgive. What can i say or do? Follow the teachings of Christ..Forgive them for they no not what they do.!

    • EJ
      January 3, 2014 at 6:11 pm

      Does any part of my writeup suggest otherwise? ________________________________

  60. Lainus anak Lichok
    January 3, 2014 at 6:25 pm

    Praise the Lord for the gift of wisdom to Bro EJ. This is the first article on this ‘Allah’ issue that I come across where comments are not inflammatory.

    I admire your compassion to we Sarawakian and Sabahan and maybe the Orang Asli of Semananjung when you say this;

    “Personally I don’t use the word in liturgy. But why should my Sabahan and Sarawakian brethren be denied the only name they know Yawyeh by ? And why now?

    Should they be made to sacrifice their comfort and freedoms for ours ?”

    • EJ
      January 3, 2014 at 6:38 pm

      Flame is fanned on by men. I feel if we explain things to the, they will understand. The problem is we ourselves sometimes take an antagonistic stand.If they do not know us, how will they understand us?If they do not understand us, how will they ever love us? :)

  61. Manolocraver
    January 3, 2014 at 6:31 pm

    Hi EJ,

    What a wonderful piece of article you have written here and I do enjoy reading it. I hope your writeup will change current people’s perception and reduce their hostility towards Christianity. In fact, though I am not religious, not even a believer, I believe that all religions should be viewed as equal and nothing is above one another. Furthermore, at the end of the day, all religions are actually standing on the same platform – peace, harmony and discipline.

    • EJ
      January 3, 2014 at 6:39 pm

      If only everyone saw that simple truth :)

  62. January 3, 2014 at 6:37 pm

    I wonder how they feel if English Christian majority nations raid and confiscate their English translated Hadith. I am sure there are a few sentences that uses ‘God’ and ‘Lord’ in there… They are, after all..not found in the Quran.

  63. January 3, 2014 at 7:18 pm

    Well-written. Unfortunately, I don’t think those who are making all that noise out there are interested in reading or understanding. This has nothing to do with religion, not Islam, not Christianity, or terms for the Deity in whichever Semitic language. We’re looking at a group of people within the Malay community who are compensating for their insecurities by behaving in a thuggish manner – it’s like your archetypal school bully. They pick on the use of “Allah” now as an excuse to bully. They can pick on something else next, and slowly and surely chip away at everything that holds civil society together. Now what do we do with school bullies?

  64. January 3, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    I would say your article is great and pretty much explains about this issue. I am a Muslim. To Christians who may do not know. We Muslims do believe the existance of Jesus Christ, The Holy Quran mentions like the canonical gospels, the story of Jesus although not much detail. We believe the virgin birth of Mary, the miracles that are not mentioned in the 4 gospels like talking shortly after birth (available also in the Infancy Gospel of Thomas), Raising the dead. And He also have Deciples (although not named). The only fundamental thing that seperates Muslims and Christians is we do not believe that Jesus was cruxified (He was substituted by either Judas Iscariot or Simon of Cyrene), He not the forsaken Son of God. He never been dead and resurrected. But he do ascend to the heaven to prepare for His second coming to defeat the antichrist or Masih alDajal (false christ). I am sorry if my comment will offend either Muslims and Christians.

    • EJ
      January 4, 2014 at 1:56 am

      No offense taken whatsoever. Please read the above comments again- I have replied similar veined questions.For our part, we are content to be ‘lost’ then :) Let us be lost.

  65. laurag5697
    January 3, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    As an American, I find this whole situation disturbing. The Framers of our US Constitution apparently knew what they were doing with the First Amendment which prohibits the government from establishing religion or preventing its citizens from worshipping however they see fit.

    Unfortunately I still do not have to look very far beyond my own backyard to see Americans – especially our elected officials – using religion as a political tool as well. Many people who purport to be Christian certainly don’t act like Christians. I do not know if you are aware of the American ultra-conservative radio “personality” Rush Limbaugh but Pope Francis drives him to distraction…which IMO means the Pope is doing something right :)

    It would be a better world if we could all just get along.

    Thank you for your perspective.

    • EJ
      January 4, 2014 at 1:54 am

      Thank you for reading Laura.I wholeheartedly agree with your last line :)

  66. January 3, 2014 at 9:20 pm

    Hi EJ,

    This is indeed a raw, matter-of-fact article. I am putting my fingers crossed that more people will stumble across this article and try to change the reality that is happening in Malaysia. At the end of the day everything boils down to the people who run our country. I wish they would be more Muslims, especially high-rank officials in the government, stepping up for us. This is way off the line.

    Rgds,
    Lester

  67. January 3, 2014 at 11:33 pm

    Just heard a good 5 mins of Quran preaching on the radio. And they say Christians want to convert others..

    I honestly got no issue with that but hey, apa lagi diorang mau?

  68. January 4, 2014 at 12:21 am

    I want to share my opinion, first I give a verse in the holy Quran, Surah Ta-ha 20:14 “Indeed, I am Allah. There is no ilah (god) except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance”. Allah which stated in the holy Quran is only one, and the one that Muslim people worship today and ilah means god. If in bible use Allah for referring to christian god, its mean our God is the same. The way of Muslim and Christian live also should be same and based on scripture that has a same guide of life. I’m not found in holy Quran said that Allah is exclusive for Malay, but it is indeed exclusive for whoever believe in Allah which that stated in the holy Quran. In some studies recorded that the word Allah has been known before the birth of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w and been used in the Prophet Isa a.s scripture (bible). In our (Muslim) believes, the god Nabi Isa a.s worshipped was the same god as Muslim worship today. The word of Allah is should be use by the people who believes and worship the same god as stated in holy Quran. But clearly now, Islam and Christian has the different god. In Arabic the word Allah does mean god. But I cannot agree or disagree the real meaning of Allah is god or not, to discover that I need to go way back thousand of years ago during the time of first people use the word Allah. This case may be same as the name of Nabi Yahya a.s was translated to John, John is an English name but John was not an Englishman. Maybe there was a mistranslation of the word Allah, who knows. The use of word Allah in bible may not directly can convert muslim to christian, as a malaysian muslim it concern me if the muslim are confuse with this matter. Lets say a muslim found from his friends that the christian refer their god as Allah and then think that Islam and christian are the same because using the same call of god. Just Islam is more strict but he want a simple life. He may want to convert to christian. In Islam the punihsment to whoever muslim convert to other religion (murtad) is death, this mean converting to other religions is not a small problem thats why many people angry with this. They dont want their kids, friends or someone close to them lost faith. Not all muslim are religious and have good knowledge in Islam.

    This is just my opinion as a malaysian muslim based on my knowledge and thought only not driven by someone. If you think my opinion is ridiculous, im sorry for that, maybe my knowledge is not enough to give an opinion.

    • EJ
      January 4, 2014 at 1:53 am

      I understand where you are coming from brother. Please understand where I am coming from. We’re not trying to convert Muslims. Assuming we are wrong, and we are hellbound and we are ‘sesat’…let God judge us la :)

      • January 4, 2014 at 6:07 am

        Sir ej, after consulted with my friend. It seems that my opinion is wrong. Im very sorry made an opinion before making a deep research. Maybe I got too emotional about this matter. There was a story during in the time of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w, he (Muhammad) permitted the pagan to use the word Allah to refer to their god.This shows that Islam not forbid others to use the word Allah for that purpose. Again I apologise for gave a contrary opinion. May we live in harmony. This article has driven me to a real truth. Thank you.

      • EJ
        January 4, 2014 at 9:25 am

        Thank you for taking the time, if everyone is like you, we’d not have this problem, sir :)

  69. January 4, 2014 at 12:51 am

    … i had almost every day christians singing their prayer right in front of my house (i stayed in teacher quarters in swk, while the congregation was held right in the class next door) ……they have SDA, bahai, protestatn catholic, anglican and etc …. i attended my fren’s wedding at church almost half a day in PJ out of mutual respect … none has made me incline towards christianity ….. it is something inside you, thing that you believe…. not that i say i agree with your belief, but respect and tolerance amongst human is the key…..

  70. January 4, 2014 at 2:00 am

    Hi,

    Personally, if Malaysian Christian want to use Kalimah Allah i don’t mind if all christian follow Hudud, because i saw what some word of “Hudud” wrote in Bible. This is the word:

    Matthew Chapter 5 (30):

    “And if your right hand serves as a trap to ensnare you or is an occasion for you to stumble and sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better that you lose one of your members than that your entire body should be cast into hell (Gehenna)”.
    All muslim must circumcised, mean we trust and believe what Allah ask to do and we truly believe what in our Quran.

    In Malay:

    Matius Bab 4 Ayat 30:

    “Kalau tangan kananmu menyebabkan engkau berdosa, potong dan buanglah tangan itu! Lebih baik kehilangan sebelah tanganmu daripada seluruh badanmu masuk ke neraka.”

    If kalimah Allah was not issue for Muslim, it not issue for christian to follow hudud right? Because in your bible state that Hudud (potong tangan).

    • EJ
      January 4, 2014 at 9:32 am

      Hudud is not ‘potong tangan’.’Hudud’ or ‘Hadd’ refers to capital punishment involving stoning (al-rajm) and yes, a very small part of it is dismemberment.

      Personally, I support Hudud be implemented, but that’s just my personal view.

      And your position just demonstrates you didn’t catch what I was trying to say, sir :)

  71. January 4, 2014 at 4:53 am

    I am not a Malaysian so I may not have much right to speak on this matter, it is purely political and has very little to do with Islam as you have rightly pointed out on point 6.

    The word issue is so limited to Malaysia that there is not a single other nation (57 Muslim majority countries out there) or Muslim society (Those living in other countries/Historic Muslim societies eg Spain) that it is really completely absurd and I have nothing to refer to with regards to this specific matter but next time you as Christian (“A people of the book” for us Muslims) is not treated right remind the Muslims about Prophet’s letter to Christians.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/letter-to-all-christians-from-prophet-muhammad

  72. January 4, 2014 at 7:58 am

    Good post!

  73. January 4, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    10 is too much and not necessary. The 1 thing Malaysians need to know is that every time we spill the bean on PM’s and/or any of their family member’s wrong doing (like “Wasatiyyah” deception) the cabals will pick and deploy counter measure (such as religion/race) from the archive to deflect the attention. Stay focus, they are on a looting spree and robbing from us from our ignorance.

    • EJ
      January 5, 2014 at 2:23 pm

      Regardless of the reason it is being perpetuated now, its not right.

  74. January 4, 2014 at 4:47 pm

    awesome….great piece…looking forward for more…..

    • EJ
      January 5, 2014 at 2:22 pm

      Thank you bro/sis.

  75. January 4, 2014 at 6:15 pm

    Aku support kamu Bro.. seharusnya kita belajar menghormati orglain tak kira agama mahupun bangsa.. kakak saudara saya masuk islam, tak pun mengganggu dan mengecohkan hal begini.. malah kakak saudara saya itu bangga mendengar bahwa saya tgh belajar di seminary…. malah cikgu melayu aku pun sokong… jdi aku pun menghormati mereka… tak kira umur juga.. saya tetap menghormati mereka…

    • EJ
      January 5, 2014 at 2:22 pm

      Thanks bro.God bless.

  76. January 4, 2014 at 6:26 pm

    Banyak2x lah berdoa… Minta kedamaian dari-Nya… dan teruskan berdoa… may God the Father and of the son and of the holy spirit be with u… amen..

    • EJ
      January 5, 2014 at 2:21 pm

      Thank you brother.

  77. spook
    January 5, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    Thinking about sending some pics of my Indonesian Bible as a visual support to your post. I feel that our Muslim friends should see them. If you’re up for it, can i have your e-mail address?

    Peace from Sabah,
    -spook-

    • EJ
      January 5, 2014 at 4:28 pm

      Not neccesary as I have a copy as well.Will work on another post on this matter. Thanks.

  78. spook
    January 5, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    ok :) Thanks for writing this post, by the way. Good to finally see a post that has substance and non-bias.

    • EJ
      January 5, 2014 at 11:08 pm

      My pleasure. Thank you for taking the time to read it.

    • January 6, 2014 at 7:49 am

      In my 50 years as far as I can recall, there is only one Quran, the Al-Quran (Holy Quran). I don’t know which other Quran that people like Noh Omar, Ibrahim Ali and the rest of the UMNO goons refer to; because I failed to detect any part of it that procures what these tyrants are putting out on papers so often.

      What I can see is they are harping on some trivial technical issues only to deflect the grave attention on PM and his family’s so called ‘Wasatiyyah’ lifestyle.

      Its not right, and we Malaysians know better. Many things are filtered out from UMNO’s version of Islam (whatever it may be). They have plenty of issues under their hat ready to execute when they are cornered. By now we are very familiar their favorite and most effective “False Flag” issues are either “Islam” and “Malay rights” or both – that’s all they know. They and their handpicked demagogue religious leaders aka “Enlightened Beings” (Majlis Fatwa, JAIS, JAWI, JAWA, etc.) will not tell you that Islam requires Muslims to respect the faith of others.

      Our corrupted government, UMNO and their Enlightened Beings will not tell you that Muslim does not take the name of Jesus, without saying Eesa (Nabi Isa) Alai-hiss-Salaam i.e. (Jesus peace be upon him). They will not disclose the fact that Jesus is mentioned by name twenty-five times in the Holy Quran (QS 2:87, 3:45, 4:171, 5:46, 6:85, to quote a few).

      They will flip, twist, spin, somersault and modify every hadith there is if it can be used as their jumping stone for political mileage. They setup and grant the use Masjid and Surau all over Malaysia – as many as possible as long as they comply with their Enlightened Beings script for Friday “Khutbah”. They use hadith to instill fear and will not use them on the positive/constructive posture to enlighten and progress their “Umrah”, so that they can continue to keep us dumb (Likewise with the reverting of Science and Math to Bahasa, so they Malaysians can’t go abroad and prosper).

      Extracted from Islamic City.Com, “Prophet Muhammad was always very respectful towards the Christians. They (UMPORNO) will not tell you that according to Islamic historians, Ibn e Saad and Ibn e Hisham; once there was a delegation of Byzantine Christians, who were traveling from Yemen to Madinah. The delegation was led by a bishop by the name of Zqyd al-Usquf, who came to discuss a number of issues with Prophet Muhammad. When the time of their prayer came, they asked the Prophet if they could do their worship in the mosque of the Prophet. He answered, “Conduct your service here in the mosque. It is a place dedicated to God.”

      We should never ridicule the religious beliefs of others, no matter how much we disagree with them.

      God says in the Quran:

      “And insult not those whom they worship besides God, lest they insult God wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fair-seeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do” (QS 6:108).

      To our fellow Malaysians, don’t for one second subscribe to the opinion of these cabals, they do not represent the Muslims or Islam. They are using is as an excuse to launch their agenda to stay in power and loot from our hardwork. Dont event comment on their claims that only fuels their agenda.

      • EJ
        January 6, 2014 at 7:59 am

        Thank you for this, at a time some of my friends are slamming the Christians without basis or justification, with pure emotions. Thank you for this.

  79. nhhc
    January 8, 2014 at 12:59 am

    EJ,

    As a fellow Malaysian, thank you for sharing us your thoughts, which I hope do represent a large proportion what other Christians holds in Malaysia. I do believe that many of us M’sians of whatever religion or race, just want peace in their lives and to carry on living happily without all these drama. As a Malaysian Muslim myself, please mark my word, we want the same thing too.

    However, I want to share with you what I think the majority of Malaysian Muslims, particularly those who do not necessarily agree with your viewpoint, feel in regard to this issue.

    First of all, whilst we acknowledge that there are well-meaning Christians like you who respect the law and constitution, particularly on Islam as the Federal religion, one cannot help but realise that the usage of Allah in the Malay bible, as opposed to ‘Tuhan’, can be used as a very effective preaching tool for Malay Muslims, particularly who are currently 1) weak in their Islamic faith and understanding (who we are admittedly trying to bring them back closer to Allah) and 2. Conversant mostly in Bahasa Melayu. To deny this completely is somewhat naive by anybody with intelligence and understanding of what’s going on in Malaysia and the rest of the world. Your no.4 statement also supports this, which is what we already know as ‘contextualisation’, and somewhat contradicts your no.1 argument.

    On one hand there are efforts from various groups to bring back Muslims to really know who Allah is, and on the other hand, we are also using the law to protect this and maintain Islam as the religion of Malays. Having said that, we also acknowledge the increasing number of Muslims who do understand their faith and can discern between Islam and Christianity, but to be generalising (i.e. ‘pukul sama rata’) the whole population does not truly reflect the true situation.

    To those who are saying ‘it is just a word, chill out Muslims’, please understand that it is not merely just a word. It represents aqeedah, the belief of oneness of God, which really is the basis, and I truly mean this, the basis and essence of what Islam is about. We say the word at least almost 300 times a day in our 5 obligatory prayers, not including the extra prayers and recitations and the normal everyday ‘inshaAllah’, ‘alhamdulillah’, ‘masyaAllah’ we say everyday. Coming from that perspective, then, will you understand why this subject is a very sensitive one? And also makes me wonder why some Christians (e.g. priest Andrew) are really adamant to pursue this issue further as if our sensitivity as Muslims are not at all being taken into consideration?

    • EJ
      January 9, 2014 at 10:27 am

      Thank you for reading, Saudara/i.

      The problem for us, as explained, the gradual erosion of rights.This is being seen beyond and above the scope of etymology but into something much larger than that.

      • nhhc
        January 10, 2014 at 1:26 pm

        Thanks EJ. You’ve mentioned erosion of rights..could you perhaps clarify on that? Rights to what?

        If you’re talking about rights and freedom to practicing your faith, then I am as a Muslim must 100% respect that as that is obliged upon me. I have yet seen anybody being restricted to practice their own faith and do what they want to do so long it’s not jeapordising other people in any way. The largest church is SE Asia, the Calvary Convention centre has also been built recently in Bukit Jalil- so I’m not sure what you mean by restriction of places to worship, given the Christian population in M’sia is about 9%?

        If you’re talking about the rights to propagate, by having Islam as the federal religion in M’sia, you must understand why the authority has put restrictions of other faiths, including Christianity, onto Muslims as a means of protection. (This, of course, works as only one of the many means – like I said, education towards the real understanding of Islam is perhaps just as, if not, more crucial.) Therefore, yes the right to propagate faiths other than Islam to Muslims is restricted due to the reason above.

        Already I’ve heard some Christian Sabahans saying that they respect and acknowledge that Islam as the federal constitution, and are willing to replace the word in order to bring back peace since this is bringing so much chaos to the country. I’m not sure though if Christians in West Msia can perhaps accept this? There are other ways to let the government know you’re unhappy, but to be impinging on a massive part of Islam and muslims in this country, is clearly creating more unnecessary havoc and division in this already troubled country.

      • EJ
        January 27, 2014 at 10:20 am

        I think you are sorely mistaken on the Sabahan Christian part, but yes I agree with your other points.
        As to erosion of rights, please do see my earlier post on this :)

        Thanks so much for reading and commenting, hope more people dialogue :)

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